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Episode · 1 year ago

(VCM1): The Vested Capital Mastermind: Introducing Nick, Mani & Gideon

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Introducing a new experiment on the Vested Capital podcast - a group show with some of my best friends.

Meet Nick, Mani and Gideon. Three guys I've known for years who I speak to on a regular basis. 

Through our friendship we discuss all the topics that I cover here on Vested Capital, so I thought why not start a group show we can drop on the feed here once a month - or on whatever schedule we end up focusing on.

I'm a big fan of listening in to conversations with people who are doing interesting things. Nick, Mani and Gideon are running startups, investing in real estate and crypto, thinking about things like lifestyle design, balancing family with work, being productive, and of course, generating cash flow and investing to grow capital.

We don't yet have a name for this sub-show, so for now I'm calling it the Vested Capital Mastermind, since these guys have very much functioned like a mastermind group for me over the years.

In this first episode I asked each of the guys to introduce themselves and explain what they are currently working on. We also discuss topics like real estate investing, productivity (also being productive with a family) and resource allocation.

Note this is very much an experiment, so we do appreciate your feedback on whether you like this format. We've never done a four-way podcast before, so even just learning the flow and structure is going to take some time.

If you have any suggestions for a different name for the show, or topics we should discuss on future episodes, or would like to send through a question for us to address (in audio or text format), email it through to yaro@yaro.blog.

Of course this group show will not in any way replace my regular Vested Capital interviews, so it's still business as usual there.

Enjoy the conversation.

Yaro

Podcast: https://www.yaro.blog/pod/
Blog: https://www.yaro.blog/

Hey, hey, this is yarrow and welcome to a little bit of an experimental podcast for you today. So this is not following my typical format for vested capital. I'm not interviewing a guest. I'm actually inviting three of my closest buddies on to talk about all the topics we do normally cover invested capital. So investing startups, business, making money, and because two of my guys friends actually have father's we even have a bit of talking about family as well in this first trial run of a show that we don't have a name for you either. So we're still talking about what to call this. We're not sure how frequently we're going to do it. We're talking about maybe making it a regular monthly thing. It's certainly something I've been excited to do for a long time because my three friends, giddy and nick and manny, who all introduce themselves with much more depth at the start of this episodes. If you don't know these three guys, that's fine. You'll you'll hear a bit more about them at the beginning and I hope over time you'll learn a lot more about them too, as they share. They've all got amazing skills. I've known these guys from many, many years. I've been in business with them, I've been in coaching client relationships with them. I've certainly spent many hours talking about all the usual things like startup challenges, how you investor money, all the usual things like real estate, cryptocurrency, stock market trading, pretty much anything that best the capital as a podcast has covered, I have talked to these guys about at some point. So no doubt we will also cover these subjects as well. Because this is an experiment. I really would appreciate get your feedback. So send me an email and send me a question to these guys. Are Really eager to help all of the listeners and we'd love fee to suggest any topics are asking any questions. You can do that by sending me an email yarrow. Why are Oh at Yarrow Dot blog, or just head to my podcast home page, my blog homepage. You'll find links to contact me there. Send us your feedback, and you can do that on social media to leave a comment, leave a reply, leave a question. I will see all of those questions that you drop there and hopefully we can answer some of them on future episodes of this show, which I'm not sure what to call yet. We're still trying to figure out the name for this. It's a little bit like a mastermind, so I like that term and I don't necessarily want to call it a mastermind, but I've certainly have masterminded with all three of these guys before. So let me know what you think. Please be patient with US too. This is an experiment for us as well. These guys aren't all regular podcast hosts like myself, so they're getting a feel for what it's like to talk on a show. They also don't all know each other for years and years individually. I know them all for years and years and these guys are certainly aware of each other, but they also have to get used to the flow of a four way podcast, which is a challenge in itself. So we're going to get better. We appreciate your feedback, appreciate your questions and that's it. Let's get going with an introduction to my three good friends. Get in and Nick and manny. Here we go. All Right, here I am with three of my closest friends from the world's of business, Internet marketing, Australia, America. Guy Is I've known well. Some of you for many, many years, at least a few years for all of them. So I'd love to introduce you to three of my closest buddies. I've got nick from nothing, manny from lots of things, but we're going to go say, focus blocks, dot ioh for today and get in from splash Yeoh, but you may also know get in from many, many years working on some projects with me if you're a long term follower. I invited these guys onto the podcast just we're going to do a test run see if this is something we enjoy doing, see if there's something there's an audience for. We don't have much of it agenda, but I thought it obviously would make sense first of all to introduce a little bit about each of these guys, what they're doing now and what they've done in the past. So let's start there. Nick Nick from nothing. I love it now. I mean I don't have, I suppose, a key personal project that I'm working on like the the last ten years of what I've been focused on has been helping other people bill businesses and particularly sort of building startup companies here in the bay area. So I was sort of very lucky. Now almost ten years ago to join a company called APP Annie when it was series a and twenty people and it really had the opportunity to ride that through to like a late stage start up doing sort of a hundred...

...billion in revenue, and my role in that was turning, I suppose, a very initial product into then leading a good chunk of product management. A couple of years ago now I joined a company called Zend drive and sort of trying to repeat the story. So like that's like eighty ninety percent of my time right there, and I think sort of yeah, you and I we catch up pretty regularly and chat about everything else that exists in that ten twenty percent for me outside of like nine hundred and twenty five, which is a whole bunch of interesting stuff. It is. Finally, we really talk about your actual job, right nakeds mostly, that the stuff you do on the side. So which, just for the sake of clarity, what do you do on the side? What do you want to highlight there? I know property is one thing we talked about. Yeah, a lot of my last six months or so has been really diving into the like the world of property investing and trying to understand for me, like the long term dream of being sort of financially independent and retired and sort of what's the path to get that? I've looked at so many different avenues and property has been the one that I've been really trying to understand deeply the last six months. I'm not sure my time he's been great because the market seems to be like just blowing up and yeah, like we catch up pretty regularly on like crypto and really just I think years ago would have been called like a lifestyle design. I think it's matured since then, but everything that that encompasses, and I remember here various different fitness programs and I'm sort of really pushing pretty hard on fitness right now. So that's also chewing up a pretty big chunk of time. Awesome. And just for for the side of the property, you've already dived in. Have Wn you? You've brought up at least one property I know of. Right, Yep. So it's like training wheels and sort of dipping toes in and trying to find a way to do it without sort of risking everything. I've got a young family, so that's now another dimension to try and optimize for, but that's that's been really the last sort of six months or so. Is trying to wrap my head around that space. Okay, moving over a manny. What's the background? Annie? All right, well, I used to be a computer engineer, never in Barria, though, mostly in San Diego, in Austin, and I left all of that to start twozero books back in Twenty fifteen. Twozero books as a book summary Portal. It's summaries of the world's best business books and personal development books, mostly for entrepreneurs, and I've been running that business for the last six years now and just recently. And as I was running the business I got to read a ton of books in the process, over one fifteen hundred books at last counts, after which I stopped counting. And what was fun for me was like I would go into these topics one at a time, deconstruct them, trying to figure them out, and one of them was productivity. So I read all of the greatest books on productivity, Time Management, execution, habits, goal achievement, rituals, routines, anything I could think of. I just basically they are all of that and only that. I summarize those books, created summary Packs on those and then I created multiple courses on productivity. On how to never procrastinating again is one of them, and double your productivity by five pm tomorrow, that's another one. So I created all these courses. But what I found, or what I found myself, was at crossroads earlier this year when I found my girlfriend's fighting with me because she felt like I'd never had time for her because I was working crazy hours all the time and I was working from seven in the morning till seventy in the evening, I don't come back from office and when I would still be on my computer, my phone and things for just keep on going like that, and she was like this is not working, this is not the kind of life I this is not going to change. This is going to be the rest of your life. I can see this already. So what's going on? And I was like, you know, I think I'm the King of productivity. I like when I work my system, that system I have designed, it works, but then a lot of days I just don't work the system and hence I just fall off the wagon. And I kept on thinking like how is it possible I have probably more knowledge than ninety nine, point nine, ninet nine percent of the world out there when it comes to productivity. But I still can't. You know, I keep doing it and then I fall off...

...the wagon and do it and I fall of the wagon and I do it and I fall of the wagon and sometimes I do productivity very well, sometimes I execute the system for a week, sometimes for a few days, sometimes for a month, but then I inevitably fall off the wagon. So they got me thinking, like why is that? Why does that happen? And I realize every tool out there when it comes to productivity is dependent on one thing, and that is the most fickle resource that we all have, which is your willpower, your self, discipline, your motivation. Right, you can know all about productivity. You know you shouldn't have your distractions on when you need to do your best work. You know you should do your most important work first thing in the morning. You know you should work in large chunks of an interpreted time. All of these things you know, but for some reason most of us don't do them because it's it requires a lot of will power and motivation and discipline to do productivity every single hour that way, no matter what productivity simple system, more tool or book. I read, everything dependent on everything was dependent on my will power. I had to grit through it, I had to work hard to make it happen. If I didn't, it just didn't happen. And I was like, okay, I need to outsource this need for will power and motivation and self discipline because I just can't keep trying to do it all by myself all the time. It's just impossible. It's a grind that never ends. And that's when focus blocks was born, which is basically the idea that, instead of me doing the work by myself, how about I get other people with me to join on a live coworking session on zoom and we have. You know, we have a structure to the call. We have a structure to that coworking session every hour on the hour and we bring people together and we have a structure to the call. The first five minutes get you into the productivity zone. Fifty minutes, like, you make your commitments, then fifty minutes you do the work and then five minutes is a debrief and then it starts all over again. So that just started like a month and a half ago. Two months ago it was an idea and right now we have over hundred members around the world and we are running at twenty two hours a day, twenty two hours our day, Monday through Friday, so twenty two focus blocks every single day. Pretty Soon we'll get to twenty four. So that's the fun part of this it. So that's where I'm that's what I'm excited about. Actually, it is a great time to get you talking about this manny and hopefully, you know if we continue this as well, because it's basically a new startup. That like, for the entire time I've known you, you've been focusing on two hundred books and talking about selling two thousand and three big number, two thousand books and you know how to turn that and grow that as a kind of a coaching, teaching, information marketing business. And you had this idea. I remember when you first introduce me to this, I bout you. I was like, so I have to pay a monthly fee just to show up on a zoom call to force myself to work because other people are also on the zoom call but no one's talking on the zoom call. And I know we had a laugh and I said to you, I said this is either really genius idea or it's just going to absolutely go nowhere. I think the jury still out, but everything you're saying is sounding very positive now. I know, though, like the probably my skepticism was this is not something I would do. I would sit down and work and I don't feel I would join a zoom call to force me. But you on the other side really benefit from having that shared accountability of other people being there to work at the same time, and there's obviously a lot of people like you on the planet who have the same kind of need that stimulation. So I'm going to I got to pass on to Gideon and just just asking this question as well. Getting before we introduce your background. Do you need, like would you benefit from jumping on a zoom call and having some other people there with you to help you get stuff done? I'm certainly intrigued by because I do find that working alone most of the time from home, this not much countability. I mean I've been entrepretern now for fourteen years and it's just me. You know, if I don't want to work, then I don't work.

That can happen more often then maybe preferable. So, you know, for productivity, but that will power thing is definitely very interesting as well. Found interesting many. How you said outsourcing will power in a way. I'm not sure if there's are the words you use, but essentially saying you don't have enough, so you got to get help from someone else. So that's a really cool concept. See, I think, I think I would be. I mean, I'm definitely intrigued and I think it'd be definitely worth a test to run it and see how does this help me improve productivity? Because, I mean, I guess so. From a psychological perspective, what it does? It kicks in the social proof kind of thing from sheldnia right where you know if these other people sort of they're not necessarily watching you, but you kind of you know they're there. You know, you sort of almost maybe it's sort of mimics being in the same room as them and you don't want to be seen as the the odd one out that's not working and that's slacking off, you know. So I can definitely see how that can play some good tricks on your mind to help you actually do work. Got a question for your man either'd like do with that system. Is The accountability just for actually sitting there and doing work, or does it give you some accountability for the Forte for getting specific tasks done that you want to get done on. So the process is that, you know, you join the focus blog at whatever hour you decide to join. We have a trained focus guide that will walk you through a simple five minute process and the first five minutes are basically devoted to helping you become really focused and also helping like asking you to make a commitment to what you will work on during this hour, as in, what will you accomplish in this hour, so that commitment is noted in that chat or in the communication with the group, so that at the end of the hour, when everything is said and done, you can report back and say, okay, this is how much I got done, and that's like constant feedback, constant like commitment and feedback. So it's like it brings a level of intentionality that normally we don't have, is entrepreneurs. We just sit down to work like, okay, I'm going to do this right now or I'm going to do this right now. But when you are forced to like identify clearly what you will accomplish in this hour, suddenly it becomes very real for you and you are much more focused on that one thing rather than spreading your energy all over the place. I love it. I love the concept. If they're going to check it out, yeah, thank you just for those listening focus blocks that I owe. If you want to check it out, I'm sure we'll give up a shout out to everyone's projects. Get in. Who Are you? For those who don't know you, I am Gideon shall wick. They want to learn me? Yes, sir, I guess my story of Entrepreneurship starts back about fourteen years ago. I had a decent job, you know, got qualified as an electronic engineer. Didn't like engineering as much, so I did another degree in engineering management and enjoyed that more. I worked for about five years and sort of Business Development and project CO ordination sort of roles, until I came to the realization, and I took me a long time, but this, you know, sucked completely and it wasn't. I wasn't it wasn't what I thought it would be. Certainly didn't give me the freedom that I was looking for. Didn't give me, or didn't give me, the freedom of financial freedom and didn't give me freedom of expression and definitely not freedom of time. You know, I felt like I was in jail, in a way because I was had to be there at a certain time and leave at a certain time and it felt like while I was at work, someone else kind of owned my brain, you know, psychologically, because they were paying me to be there. So they're paying for my brain to be there, basically, and so I had to use my brain to focus on the task that I got paid for. So it felt like kind of like a jail in a way, and it just really exhausted me. So after five years I just said, okay, this is enough. Let's tell my wife this is we were back in His Zealand still and I said let's just quit our jobs and immigrate to Australian and start fresh and see if I, you know, maybe get a job first and in just...

...to get a landing pad and start a business. Long Story Short, got into Australia. Eventually I couldn't find a job. My wife got a job. She was paying the bills. We we came over with pretty much nothing. I think we had tenzero savings. Ten thousand dollars came over worth just just our backpacks basically, with our clothes, and we stayed in hotel for the first week, but then and second week we did find a place and that nothing. So we got it. We got a blow up mattress for our bed and while we were sort of waiting to figure things out, and I remember our first furniture we board was to to bean bags and we still have those bean bags. They're awesome. First furniture and then about a month later we had some stuff coming on the ship which included my computer and I don't know, I feel a little bits and pieces, but not much. That's how we started. Now that's about fourteen, maybe almost fifteen years ago now, so it's quite quite the beginning. But anyway, you know, I didn't really know what I was what I wanted to do. It was just kind of throwing the deep end and I had no idea, I absolutely no idea about business and just just started trying things. You know, I went to what record a convention for Franchises and I remember walking through as one of the like one of these big halls in Brisbane. I think was the ambers convention center. I don't even know, but I remember walking past a dog washing franchise and looking at him going how on these guys have a franchise for washing dogs? So, in other words, there must have had a successful business for washing dogs to be able to turn it into franchise, right, and I got me thinking. Think, if these guys can actually have a dog washing franchise, how hard going to be to start a business, you know, and be successful? So and I remember telling my wife something like a if I can't make back my salary that I was earning in my previous job, you know, within the First Year of being an entrepreneur, then I honestly don't deserve to be paid that much. And I mean I was supposed salary was, I think, fifty twozero dollars, which, you know, I thought was a decent amount back then. But anyway, in the first year I made maybe I can't remember the exact numbers, but it's around about ten thousand bucks and I spent maybe Elevenzero. So made a loss of negative one thou say run about there, and remember looking at my wife and going gay, I didn't make the money back. So I didn't you know, I was only worth negative thousand Onezero. I didn't. I didn't really deserve to be paid that much. And it was a wake up call for me because it made me realize how this there's something to this this game. It's different to being an employee. You got to have a different mindset. It's a true so. So took me a while to sort of UN learned the employee mindset and to learn how how to think like an entrepreneur, but eventually figured out how to do it. Other a bunch of projects. I had a bit of success in the first six months where I wrote a book and someone promoted it for me. I got distributed to all over the world. But then, you know, rathers out of sues because don't know anything about online business or how it had a traffic or had to build a proper business. And then I really kind of struggle and just trying to figure things out. That sort of freelancing jobs, video production, website development, graphic design, all sorts of stuff in those first years just to sort of help figure out the game and help pay the bills. I remember doing this, starting this interview seriescause I thought, Hey, there's a lot of people here knowing how this game works. When we just interview the this is this is back in two thousand and six, two thousand seven run about their started interviewing people on video and the idea was that I would ask them questions about success and learn from them. Recorded all and intended into like a membership website, and it all turned out to be way too much work for me. It kind of killed me at killed my computer, my pc back then, and that's how I eventually switched over to to Mac. But it also killed my spirits because it was it was just too big, that the project was just way to be. So that never saw the the light of day.

But one of the people I meet during that in TV series was yarrow stark, the host the show. So I met Yarrow and invited them over to come do an interview at our little apartment at a green screen set up, and we did the interview and I remember Yarrow. Yarrow had long hair and it was like it was incredibly hard to key out the background with arrows clearly long hair. It was a nightmare. Anyway, we did it and anyway that's how our friendship started. And and then we did a project to get a called become a blogger back in the day. That went really well. I got some great results from that and that was kind of like a massive stepping stone for me to then start building other businesses to and so today I've got a company called splash show. I've always liked online videos. Of I've always been doing that since I've been been entrepreneur, basically. So with splash shore now we basically help people get the videos ready for social media, you know. So we people seen us the videos and mean we transcribe them, then the ticks in his captions, wrap it in a nice frame at a headline called to action, progress, a video, progress bar, logo, animation, whatever, and send them back the video within twenty four hours were ready to publish some social media and by doing that it helps people get a lot more engagement on the videos and just removes that hassle of video production completely from the process. And Yeah, so I've been doing that now. For All, splashow has been around since two thousand and twelve, but I had a bit of a break from it then and just got back to it about two and a half years ago. So so this latest version of splashows only about two and a half years ago, and that's that's what I'm doing now. I love on it. Awesome. Okay, so we kind of a brief intro. I mean the connect the dots. I know all these guys because of some connection to do with entrepreneurship, Nick, and I don't know if we got connected because of entrepreneurship, and we know we did initially because I went to your event that you were co hosting with some other friends of ours, but I feel like we connected with like rollerblading first, more than business. I don't know, Nick, I remember doing that out with you more than anything else back in Australia. But I'd love to talk a little bit with each of you, like what you currently focus on, because obviously we could talk forever about our past, but what we're working on right now is often what we would talk to each other about. I feel like it's useful to often share what we're trying to do, where we're getting stuck, what's working, because that then in turn helps each other, because I learned what's working, what you're experimenting with and whether it's investing or it's your current business, probably both. Sometimes there's some other topics, but that's maybe talk about the the active, I would say business C I know Nick, you're not currently running your own business. We've tried. We've tried to get nick to start a company many times, all of us, so we're not you Mann Eve I know I have, and I know Gideon has as well. With Nick, never quite got him over the line to bit to start something, but he's obviously been involved with a lot of companies and early on as well. So I'm actually going to start this topic by literally talking about what I did today, and I think this would probably connect greatly with with you, nick, because I was spending my entire day doing property management stuff. So in terms of my investment strategy, I am very much in many different buckets, one of them being property here in Montreal, where I currently live. Actually moved deliberately to Montreal to take advantage of the the Montreal discount, as I call it, because property here is about half the price of Toronto and Vancouver and also have the price of Melbourne, Sydney Brisbane, where I'm from originally, in Australia. So I moved here and bought a TRIPLEX, and today I've been basically dealing with couple of things, checking out repairs that have occurred due to water damage that hit my investment building and meeting my new tenant for the first time as well. And I think I guess I don't want to really dive too deep into this but I do want to surface this as a subject because I know probably all of us have thought about property. A lot of the listeners are probably in property or considered it, and I'm...

I'm finding it kind of annoying, to be absolutely honest. Like it's never been my most favorite way of investing, but there's a part of me that's always sort of a little voice in the back of my head saying just hold onto the properties no matter how much they challenge you, because in ten, twenty years you're going to be thanking yourself because of how much capital has a crude and how you've paid down the loans over time, with the rent and so on. But you know, I've had burst pipes, I've had to roof water leaks, I had, you know, a tenant leave two months early. So there's been a lot of negatives. And not only that, Montreal is not structured well for property management. There's no like easy external services to have other people manage property for you. So what I'm focusing on right now is actually turning my new tenant into a potential property manager for the building. This is a only because he's turned out to be a handy man as well and because he lives in the building, he could potentially fix it. It's only an idea of literally had this after meeting the guys. I don't know how well it's going to work, but I'd love to maybe throw the ball over to you guys and what your experiences have been with property as an investment, if you have done any I could. I can, I can dive in. So we bought our first investment property in Little Rock in Arkansas last year and that was something that I guess we've been sitting on the sidelines for a little while and trying to find the right starting point and I think to back it up even like why property? It's because a lot of the other places that I saw that I we could be investing, I just couldn't find any sort of like strong points of leverage or finding some advantage that I would bring to the situation that I thought was going to be differentiated. At along lasting I look really sort of deeply into like quite active stock trading and I tried that for a while and I did know better and actually worse than just if I had done nothing. I looked at investing in startups in sort of angel rounds, and that's something obviously that we've talked about in the past and at the end of the days, as I I'm going to be putting a lot of money into something that I may not see back and my ability to put work out which one's going to be a winner is not much better than anyone else. So why? Why do that? And then what got me excited. Our property is I had a good friend that I used to work with WHO bought a couple of houses in Little Rock, which is actually where he grew up, so he knew the market. It was at a price point like a three bedroom to bathroom house of a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars, which you can get eighty percent from the bank and you can rent it such as that generates positive cash flow immediately as okay, wow, so all I need to come up with is thirtyzero dollars and we can start. And it's an ecosystem particuarly in Little Rock, where for every sort of challenging point and all the things you just mentioned I haven't experienced yet, but I had a recommendation for a property manager who's been great and they've made it seamless. So so far, so good, and it was a big change when looking at it compared to the bay area, which is where we were at the time, because, like, the property scene in the Bay areas is insane. People show up, they bid ten, twenty, thirty percent over asking, they bring all cash, they waive every contingency and like that's that's like maybe I'll have that kind of financial profile one day, but that's certainly not where I am today. And I would see my friends like go all in on stuff that just like obviously they were, they were excited about it, but it looked to me like a really crazy kind of bet. And if something went wrong, if they made a bad decision, if the market turned against them, like as it did a little bit last year, like there wasn't a lot of backup plants. So that's that's what really got me excited about some of these other markets around the US where you can bring a lot less money, you can diversify a lot more sort of readily and you can plug in sort of other systems quite affordably. So I remember I was I was blown away. When we bought this investment property, we needed...

...to get some minor repairs done. I got the bill from the Property Management Company and it was like two hundred dollars to get a fence prepared. It's like you can't get anything done in the bay area for two hundred. I don't know what it's like in Montreal, but I sort of looked at this and it's just wait, is this like part of the fences? Are Another billcoming? Have you forgot to put your margin on top of this? I you like already taken my money from somewhere else and you've deducted it against like the full first month's rent and two hundred is what I owe. In addition. It's like and it sounds like Ukrane prices to me. Yeah, and I was like wow, okay, I think we can make this work. I'm jealous, is all I can say so far, nick, because you had no problems. Besides you knows compared to what I've had. But I think some of that's just luck with the draw of what kind of building you get to. I know, like we we're not necessarily all interested in property or have done much of the property. I'll let manny and getting if you want to share anything with property, but if you don't, I think it is fun to talk about like your kind of core investment strategy, and Nikki did a great explanation as to why you've decided to begin this experiment with property. It's something that you felt you could control the variables, you liked the numbers involved and it compared beneficially or compared to the other things you would had tried or looked at so far. Manny, what's your story with with it, with property or investing? Yeah, so investing by like, when I think of all the money that I put to work, most of it is in passive stock market investments, in the sense I don't actively manage anything, kind of like what nick was alluding to. Trying to do it myself. I never had any good success with it. So it's more of index ones and such that the money sitting in. And the interesting thing is I think I always thought, or I've always still believe, that the only investment other than that I want to make is in my business. So I'm like whatever, I could do all the money I need, I'm just going to keep pumping into the business and that's going to be like instead of diversifying, like I got a divorcified, safe portfolio that's sitting there, but then now all the risk is on the business side of things and I'm putting all of my effort, time energy on business as my biggest investment in terms of me fully wested into it. So I think of my business as the biggest investment in every shape or form, and I feel like I took this kind of rather personally when I was reading Mark Huban's book. He talked about the idea that you know, if you're going to if you're going to be an entrepreneur, having a house can be one of the biggest liabilities because it can bog you down, it can slow you down and all those things, and I'm not sure if that was the perfect answer that he liked. That was that was there, but just I just believed in what mark human was saying at the time and I was like, all right, I'm just going and I'm just working on my business and nothing else matters, and business is all that I like, I have. I'm basically like, if you want to call it, Barbel, like I have really safe investments, but then I have very risky investment, which is my business, which can go belly up any given day. So that's kind of my strategy. WHAT'S THE END game? I know you don't necessary know it yet, but what is the plan? If you're all in on your business as your kind of strategy for growing your capital? What do you how do you see that playing out? Like, what do you want out of that many what do I what do I want out of growing the business in terms of yeah, I if you're going to put so much time and energy and resources into the business, is it about one day selling it? Is it hoping it will just return a lot of cash? Like, what it? How do you? Yeah, how do you see it? Probably on both these businesses are kind of cash little businesses. They aren't really designed for the traditional start up methodology in some ways. And Yeah, I don't really plan on selling any of them. If anything, I feel like focus blocks is the future of what's going to happen with with my businesses, in the sense I I see focus blocks as the as the...

...current like, as the way forward for me and the the current focus blocks, which is like one, are like twenty four hours of accountability and proctity. That's just one piece of the overall productivity puzzle. I see us being able to create a lot of back end products and services and things like that, selling to corporations and really taking it. I I want people to never work alone. That's kind of my mordn like. That's what I feel with focus box. Never work alone, and that's the vision I have a focus box. So No, I have no intention of selling it or even like thinking about, you know, getting out of it in any way, ship or form. I just want to grow the stamp business as much as I can and, you know, take her two millions of people. If you can't do that, yeah, it's funny like and will throw to you in a second getting. But I hear you say this. First of all, I love the no one work alone as a phrase. That that's so, I guess, applicable now with sort of the work at home lifestyle that we've all been living. It's being at home but not being alone. If that's something you can help with, that's amazing. But I like this idea of you have a vision for a company, but let's be honest, manny, you didn't have this company two months ago. So it's it's like talking to you now, it's like, well, you've got so much energy behind this, but this company didn't exist and you were your energy was sort of more around twozero Bookscom and what was going on there. But I feel there was a connection between this whole concept. If you want to make people more productive, so maybe, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's kind of like a combination of a passion for a subject but also obviously wanting to see a very profitable business be born from whatever you do in that subject. Yeah, the biggest reason why I feel like two thousand books has been like, or the reason why I focus so much more on focus blocks now compared to a thousand books, is because I always felt like, to tell the books was so dependent on me. I had become the personality, I'd become the face. Never really wanted that, but that's what it has been and that's what it always be and I always felt like that was going to be limited in terms of scope, in terms of what we can do with it. There's a ceiling when I am the one who's delivering value in their business, but with focus blocks I'm not delivering any value in the business. I'd really, if ever, do any. I do not. I'm not a focus guide on maybe I do two hours a week of being a focus guide. The remaining time is actually other people on our team who do that work right the twenty two hours a day, someone else doing it. So it's like this is where it's totally scalable because I don't have to be involved in the day to day operations in any way, shape or form, and I have a great operations manager. She takes care of so many of these things that I only focus on marketing and selling the damn thing, and I feel like this is where it's truly scalable. While twozo books was always going to be limited because I had to be the content guy, I had to be the book Reader Guy, I had to be everything and also be the marketing mind and all those things. So that's why I truly believe in focus blocks and, as you know, I probably created more productivity courses than any other on any other areas in business or in in personal development, because I've always been a geek about protivity. So this is something like where my passion meets the opportunity and the market is willing to pay for it, kind of like what good to great talks about, Jim Collins talks about in the book. Right, what's your passion, what the market needs and what you know? Or Yeah, what's the passion, what's the market needs and what they're willing to pay for it and what we can be the best at, and I truly feel we could be the best at this whole game of productivity. It's not really all that difficult, given every day I record testimonials with people literally because they comments so fast and furious, like I just have to say hey, are you having a good experience and they're like yes, like all right, let's record a testing why? It's like every day I get new people and within two days they're like fans and I'm like, all right, this is way more fire than two thousand bok several bus. Yeah, it'd be fun. Maybe if we keep doing these sort of regular calls, we can keep track of the numbers as times goes on. But I feel like, as you're...

...saying some of the things about not being the face of the company, the brand, it's reminding me of some conversations with you, Gideon, about you not wanting to necessarily always be the face and the brand and and even struggling with that, because you know how powerful having a lead figure as the brand is for your company. And we also have to know what you're focused on right now. Because we got to get your side of that. That question as well. That's a pretty big question and looks just you know, with a you how you build your business. To know, with a you go down their personal brand sort of path, or building a brand like a company brand, and we maybe do both, and how you combine them in the best possible and I mean, I think exact same sentiments as you many. You know, way about ten years ago, our first eleven years now, our first child was born, a little daughter, while she's been bigger now, you know, I ask myself the question if something all back then I had a business that was fully depending on my brain again, you know, because scalaball it was, you know, made some good money, very highly profitable. However, there's two things I couldn't do with it. One is, I couldn't sell it, and to I couldn't couldn't run without me, you know. So that was a problem. So when my daughter was born, became a lot more sort of real. It is like something happens to me and what happens to the family, and if my wife can't working, I should be looking after little baby. You know what then, and that's when I started splash. Yeah, that's that's very soon. Actually. Well, Nick and I actually we started flick disk a bit, little bit before splash. It was another never, never actually saw the day of like that particular one. We had something good. We had some really good fun with that and we I remember that. That that big presentation we did. And Yeah, I mean it's like one of the startups that makes that ninety percent that fail. Yeah, and it was. It was a brilliant exactly only time we ever got nick to be doing a business, to getting I actually give you credit. You actually got him that far to start example. I mean, I mean it was it was a lot of fun. I'll I can't remember how long we spent on a maybe somehow I've got six months in my head for, you know, US working and I remember we did one really big project. You can probably burnt us out of it, but that's might be another story to talk about. But anyway, that was that was the first sort of brand, branded kind of business that I started. And then splash show, you know, relatively soon after that and and the idea there was that that I could build a business that could run independently of me but that I could also sell if I wanted to later on, you know, to give me that choice, not that I necessarily wanted to do but I wanted to have the choice in case I did get sick of it all, in case my life situation change, and I wanted to have that choice. So splashow has been that. Also built another company called Varroll, sold my shares in that about two and a half years ago and that's when I jump back onto splash show again. And Yeah, there's still a big question. Is it still important? The other personal brand? And I don't think it's necessary if you've got a company brand, but it can be helpful. I think it can definitely be helpful for promotional purposes, for trust building and that sort of thing. But I I really like the idea of having a separate brand, separate from you, that can run independently of you, that can grow independently of you, that you can market and promote and and independently of you and that you know, definitely sell as well without your face being in it. That's I think that that's hugely beneficial because it can it kind of becomes a thing in and of itself, independent of you, and that's great. I think there's there's there's a lot of value on that. So, yeah, I don't know who is the question going? I mean we're doing now and investments. Yeah, I want to sort of come back to this big question of investment in like for me as an entrepreneur, especially, like what, especially once you start making money, where do you start investing in? Where do you with the best place to have your money? And, like manny was saying, like you know, for us in a similar way, we've mainly been investing it right back into the business. You know, it's not like I'm in experience necessarily in or I've never thought about investment.

Like before I become an entrepreneur, I was actually like a semi fulltime currency trader. So we traded US dollar, Swiss, Swiss frank there were four that we traded. I can't remember all the exact details, but it was incredibly intense and it was day trading as well. Right, so I guess you wouldn't call it investment as such, but some of the principles were very similar. So we did more chart technical trading as supposed to fundamental trading, but we did pay attention to the fundamentals as well. So I did that for about two or three years and that options trading and started options trading and start up, went into currency trading and basically got really burnt out. I could completely burnt out from currenty trading. Is what I was doing. Is Like I had my full time job. Started at seven day, seven o'clock in the morning, we finish a three get home, run about four o'clocks and have a quick bite or whatever, and they start trading or back tradings. Like most of your time goes into back trading, with technical training or analysis, back trading in and maybe putting some positions and at about eight o'clock and between you have dinner as well in front of the computer. I would have dinner and my wife and bring me dinner. Is Amazing. And then in basically trade, back trade, chat my trading partner until about eleven o'clock at night, and I did that for about a year and then then I strategy changed and it would meant that I had to get up at that that same routine. So seven o'clock start in the morning, get out with four, start trading about thirty five o'clock whatever, and and then until eleven o'clock at night, go to bed and then for this new thing. I had to get up at three o'clock in the morning to close our positions. We couldn't automated back then, and so it was up for about half an hour to an hour. Now I don't know about you guys, but I need my sleep and when it gets interrupted, I'm not a not a happy person the next day. As my wife for a last eleven years we've had kids, you know, being interrupted from sleep, it's not it's not a good thing for me. I don't handle that well. Anyway, I did that for a month and I was just dead, you know, the end of that I was just going, okay, this is this is like a Reich the epitome, and I was just going what I want to do? Do Do I want to be and like a trader? Is that what I want to spend my life on? It? Do I just want to look at charts all day long and look at numbers going up and down all day long and and I kind of get addicted to that thrill of winning and and, you know, losing money at the end of it. It kind of seemed like gambling to me in a way, because at the end of the day you could never predict what the markups going to do accurately, like you could. You could, you could always predict on your back trading. You can go, okay, according to my back trading, this is you know, you work out a system right and you go, okay, wanting to do this, it should do this to to this sort of percentage. And and we're so interesting about that was that even though on our back trading our results would be like, we'd find these systems that would just be we would get like twozero return on investment sort of strategies, like it was crazy. It was just like you know from on our back trading. But they would implement it and we'd lose money and we go, hang, well, what's what's wrong here? And in we would trace backward, go look at all our transactions and go what the heck happened? Why? Why? You know, for the last month we were supposed to make like a twozero percent return on investment. Why do we lose everything? And or not just lose everything, make it made a last as well, because it was really really leverage trades and and we came to realize that the only simple answer was that it was due to human error every single time. So every single time that would lose money or that the trade wouldn't work or the system wouldn't work. Wasn't because the system, was because of the human error. You know, like you, and you think, I just missed this one, it'll be all right, or you just make that little error there and be all right. And Long scoplings after a month or six months ago, hang on all those little like you miss one big trade and can wipe out your profits for the whole month. You know. So so so. Then I said this is this is just not my game. I realized that that it was just not my game. It wasn't my game for wealth building and for for being happy...

...and and that was part of the reason why I become an entrepreneur. I wanted to I wanted to create something. So for my personality, it really makes seems to create and creating businesses is fun for me, like I love the idea of creating a business, like coming up with new designs, new new products, reaching new markets. It's all very creative in the in and of itself, and that excites me. That gives me energy, and doing trading and investment sort of stuff doesn't give me energy. It takes my energy away. So so my strategy now really is, well, at least short a term, for at the beginning days of being entrepreneur, is to put all my energy or my assets or my money, whatever I could into the business and to have only one egg in the basket, not to diversify at all. And the reason behind that is to give me the best possible chances success, because it's rigged in a way, but it's rigged towards my interests and passions and and natural talents and also in an area that I'm really knowledgeable. And so, for example, it's it's in the video marketing space. I'm really passionate about that. I love video. It's very creative, it's very visual and there's a lot of people are interested in it. So it's really it's rigged for success. So with me putting all my eggs into one basket, or just one egg in one basket, is I've got a much better, much better chance of success. That's my view anyway. And then the longer term vision is that as the business make money, and this is where we're we are sort of moving into now with current stage in life, is is, you know, as the business becomes really profitable. You know, we can't invest that money fast enough back into the business. So now we got asked the question. Okay, we just keep that money in the bank where it's ending almost, I think it's one person interest at the moment here in Australia, or do we do something a bit smarter with it? And then the next question is, if we want to do something smarter with it, like either real estate or paper assets or or other businesses, do we do it ourselves? Do we take some time out out of our schedule, away from our business and become experts, so speak, at these other investment vehicles, or do we find someone else who's already an expert and just get them to do it for us and give them a cut, you know, give them a you know, pay them a whatever the commissions are or whatever, whatever that structure is, whatever that deal is, and so so that's sort of the the place we're out of the moment. We had some experience and buying a house before and at was the dumbest decision for us is entrepreneurs ever. It took all our capital away and it was just after the financial crisis too. Thousand run about there and then we went we ad was a terrible house we lived in now. So I wouldn't even call it an investment. It wasn't an investment. I wouldn't put it under the investment categor it was we bought the house because we were cash rich and we thought had it doesn't matter. We Live Itt Ceter because we work from home. But it was a bad decision. It was really bad decision and we lost K when we sold that house. I was terrible and like a year of our lives. It was just this is this terrible disaster. So so, you know, I think going forward it would be. We wouldn't if we by a house for us, it wouldn't be for investment necessarily, but we would certainly be interested in working with someone else to help us with investment properties or investing in some sort of diversified portfolio where with someone else who we trust and who's got a good, proven track record of success, they do to the investments for us and then in the meantime we keep focusing on our business where in a place that we really good at and build up that ascid and that cash as much as we can then keep on investing that cash. You not using the business into all these other assets. So that's that's kind of the overall big picture strategy for us. I appreciate you guys are diving into like your your kind of investment philosophies. You can see the kind of similarity, especially like manny and getting. You guys both talking about putting a lot of your energy and almost all of it into your companies at the moment. And getting you actually reminded me when you said, like with the investing, you know, if you miss one day when the market had its big gain, or you know, like I remember a man. You can correct me if...

I'm wrong. I think it's Tony Robbins. I'm assuming know everything about every book many, but Tony Robins Book Money Master the game, I think it was, and he was saying like if you you just leave your money in there. was like the advice from all the biggest wealth creators. But the risk is there's two or three days in attain your period where the biggest gains happen and if you miss those days you are actually going to be, you know, negative for your results over those ten years. So they trick is this. Don't touch it. I'd like to kind of throw a nick here because nick, I can't say that you have the same thing with one to throw all your energy into your own business, and I've always been kind of curious how your motivation works with a job, because you've had some fun jobs in the past, but at the same time you don't you don't get to control your time quite the same way, and I think that's great you're here because you do give give us an input and they'll probably a lot of people listening to this who are in jobs and probably, you know, I think they might be thinking sidehusles and might be thinking leave one day, or they might be just thinking, let's take what I make from my job and, you know, grow it as much as I can using investment vehicles. So I'd love to know your overall kind of philosophy around where you put your energy, you know, into and what's called a career, because that's what you've got right, all right. So I feel like I have to I have to even walk this back again and offer correction because when we first got together sort of, I'd done a couple of my own startups, and it's probably generous to call them startups. I think sort of flick desk with Gideon was the one. That was that of the most formal. But before that I was running my own business. What was that? Just so we can so we all know what was flip? It was flick desk. It was an online video editing market place and I still think it's a really good idea and it's actually the way you describe splashy or earlier reminds me of some of the early dream that we add for it. But we were way too early and the Internet infrastructure was just never going to be where it needed to be for that model at that time to work, and I think it's a classic example of good idea, bad timing. But but before that sort of I was I was running my own business in Australia and I was frustrated with it because I was the one sort of in the same way that manny describe, just like I was the in the middle of everything and at the time I didn't have the knowledge or the skills to extract myself from that. So I was sort of doing a bad job of creating a pipeline of new clients and I would go from that Feast of famine cycle and just bounce through that every three months where I'd suddenly win some business and be then super busy to execute against that not have any time for sort of Lee generation and nurturing prospective clients. I'd clear those projects and then I'd be like great, I'm not getting paid this week. I'll dear, I've got to go and out find more clients. And that was just bouncing around and I did that for a few years and I got to work on a lot of interesting was it. That was a company that I men called Digital, digitally digital done different, I think actually it's probably a terrible name looking back at it now, but it was essentially an agency model and and I got burned out on it. I was bored and that was then sort of the trigger for trying and exploring different things, and that's ultimately what led me to joining a startup and joining an early stage start up where I had the opportunity to be mentored by people who were much of more experienced in building a company and structuring a sales and marketing team, structuring a product and a development team, looking at all the various kpis and metrics and operations that you need to then scale that business out, and it was fantastic and I learned a lot and I became a very valuable and marketable skill that I was like good at and it really played to my strengths. Sort of I'm the I'm the, I suppose, classic generalist role. I like to know a little bit about everything, but it's difficult for me to go super deep on one particular topic, and that's essentially what product management as a career is. I think really like the best way to think about product management is it's it's touching on every area of the business and the only...

...other person that really gets to do that is the CEO. But you don't carry that stress and that risk and those sort of night terrors of okays, there's going to work tomorrow, and that's been that's been really good for me for the last ten years. So I think when I was thinking about sort of investment and sort of like what a my motivations and sort of strategies there I think first of all it's to do work that's interesting and valuable to the world and to do it with like people I admire and respect and to have that collaboration on a day to day basis that I think is really hard to get as an entrepreneur like the the challenge that I see with focus blocks is is exactly what I sort of experience in my own role now that covid happened, in are all remote. It's like we don't get that interaction on a day today basis in the office and that's sort of a really hard thing to replace quickly by then doing your own startup. And now that I have a family and I have a two year old, I'm much more, I suppose, considerate of optimizing for the the long term, like happiness and success of the family unit, not just myself. It's like if my wife was not here, if my two year old was out here, then it'd be much easier for me to do like I'm going to go and quick my job and I'm going to go down and do a side whostle because that's what I'm excited about this week. At the price of failure is not too high in that situation. But when sort of you've got a family around you, that's my chest. My thinking on that is changed dramatically in the last sort of two, three years soon. So true, kids change everything that they yeah, I mean they change things in like your olds and a completely different dimension than you never expected it's like one of the things I think that I've been most conscious over the last twelve months is, is it like my son is wonderful and adorable, but he's energy draining and like the kinds of things that he can do that are also enjoyable for me. I like this big and they don't last for more than about twenty or thirty minutes. Like reading him some books is pretty fun for both of us, but everything else he wants to do is not so much fun for me. So boredom creeps in really quickly and then we need to find ways to manage that and that's been a big part of my learning curve. There is was working out well. How do I how do I leverage my time more effectively? How can I sort of bring in various services to the home, whether it be like a cleaner or sort of outsourcing various different tasks so that I can devote the the lion, share my time to my job and I can then still have energy and brain power and the end of the day to like, where do we need to be going as a family and setting those goals over the next to a twelve months, five years, so that, like we're able to live the kind of life that we want in the long term, not just sort of have it as a someday, one day kind of thing. Well, when we retire and twenty years time, hopefully it'll all be in place. I'm much more interested to really actively manage that, that quality of life and think about the different tools that we have to our advantage. I think having like a good job gives you a lot of advantages that entrepreneurs often don't have, where you can go to a bank and you can ask for a loan and you can buy a house, and that can be more challenging when you're sort of don't have a job and you're sort of in the early days of building a company, where it's like well, where's your income and who's your business and it's like well, I don't have that yet, but it's coming. So that's those are the kind of challenges and sort of things that I try and apply different strategies to. It's not to say I'll never do a start up, but I think like the path of the next few years is probably not that ha ha. I want to also just mention something here that that nick sparked the idea for, as you grow your family as you as you start getting more kids, your expenses increase and increase significantly. It's not like it's just a few dollars or whatever you like. Our expenses have increased significantly since we've started getting children and I remember a friend of mine saying once. It's quite an influential guy. He had four boys, I think three or four...

...boys, and he made this comment in passing. Once. Someone say that kids are expensive, right, and he said yeah, they cost millions and I thought he was joking because that's before we had kids, or just at the beginning, and now looking back at that comments of quite a few years ago, going Oh, yeah, I can see how that is very true. It's maybe not billions within the first year, but you can it all up over a ten year or twenty year period, it really is millions. You know, like it can be millions. It's depending on you know, where you live and with what school you send your kids to, and especially when you factoring opportunity cost as well of all that energy and that brain space that was consumed because you didn't get a good night's sleep and therefore you weren't able to do as good a job as you wanted to. The next day and then that adds up over time and that's a good good I've often thought about that, nick and thinking as it. Has It helped my career or is it, as you know, detracted from my and it changes your wrist profile, which is a lot of money as well, right, because when you're Christ profile changes, you are not gonna go after the big swings anymore. You know, play in a little more controlled fashion. I never thought of opportunity cost and children before. That is that is an interesting angle to think about. They're mostly because most people talk about children in such a life changing way. And I should clarify myself and manny do not have children. Nick and Giddeon do. Gideon a little further along with his larger family of slightly older children than Nick, but still it's yeah, it did. It'll simplay a part in all of our decisionmaking. But yeah, Opportunity Cost of children it I'm sure there's some people out there sit down with a compen and paper and go I could shoot for the stars with the company or make a baby, and and that's the two very different things, but they impact each other significantly. Well, I want to say this cuse I think is really important. You know, some from this conversation people might think I even have children, maybe maybe have a less chance of succeeding, and I'm not sure if that's true. I've I think as you get children you become more motivated to do something amazing with your not just with your life, but also, you know, to to provide for your family. That's certainly becomes one of your primary drivers. But then also there's something else that happens inside of you that goes I'm going to do something that that makes a difference. They certainly an aspect of that that kicks in and maybe it's driven by the survival instinct, you know, to go hey, I have got kids now, I've got to I've got to work extra hard now, or I've got to I've got to work extra smart now to because I don't have much as much time as before. I've got to think more about leverage and I've got to think more about how do I build the teams that don't have to do everything myself anymore so don't burn out so that I can spend more time with the family. Really so I think all those building a families actually really good for business and feels going to say you're making making children sound like a focus block, like you make the baby and that means you got to work very focused on the time you're not with the baby. Well it. I think this this this nothing more motivating than when you're starting from scratch and there's new baby on the way and you don't have a job and you don't have much money to make a success. Like when that baby is coming, you go, I have to do something, because they are so deping that a hundred percent depended on you, the little baby, that they're completely helpless when they're born, and you know when, in the first few weeks, the mum, mom, can't do much. You know, and if this so, so you. I think it's one of the most motivating things in the world to make something work when you have that. So it's I'd certainly been the case, you know, for me, like I think specifically for our third child, that definitely had that sort of scenario playoff a very well. We were in a situation where things didn't go according to plan like we thought and we kind of had to start from scratch again, and then there's a new baby on the way. It's like, Oh, okay, nice one. So but that really? That, really you like sound like you're not responsible for that. Now, well, it's another story. Oh okay, it sharpens your...

...focus, sharpens your focus and helps you paralytize. Yeah, totally. You sort of just go, okay, should I go out to this thing or should I go to this event? Is going to help the business, you know, and help us to come financially independent? The answers now you just go, there's no chance I'm going if it's not going to be beneficial for for the goal that you half of Your Business and for your family's just becomes really easy to send. No two things. So I know we' fe'd about an hour here and I know we've all got the things to do, children to attend to, businesses to grow or focus blocks to attend to as well. So I want to be cognizant of our time frames. Let's wrap it up. Obviously this is an experiment for all of us, experiment for me to put this out in the podcast feed and and for the listeners see if you guys get any value from it. From my point of view, we obviously have three guys who've succeeded in different things and some overlap as well. And obviously you know we're not just talking business as we're talking about fatherhood here as well. Where and I am totally interested in taking this wherever it goes. I think one thing we need is a name. I'm going to throw that out there all three of you guys. I'd love to give this a name for our kind of calling it a sub show on my podcast plus topics. So I'm throwing this out to the audience and to my cohost. Here is we. You know, we don't want a weak two rambling every episode. It would be great to kind of have some kind of direction. I've listened to a lot of other sort of podcast that it's actually actually becoming like a thing. There's four guys on a podcast. I'm sure this for women on a podcast out there too, on some shows, but often it's like very news focused, you know, people talking about what is happening right now and with that, whether it's technology or business or life or whatever. I'm totally be open to taking this wherever it goes, but I'd love to get feedback from the audience too. So any subjects you guys want us to cover? Obviously, for a lot of you, nick many in Guineon might be complete blank slates. You only know them to the extent you've heard today. So we'll build out your background, story and personalities a bit more to going forward, because I think it's helpful when it comes to coming up when new topics to also feel like you guys contribute in those areas too. I know your strengths, some of them anyway, but will the audience will get to know them more over time as well. Anyway, I'm just saying all this to convince these guys to keep doing the show with me, because obviously this is an experiment for them as well, and we can have guests on to we can, I was throwing that, you know, bring on some more other our friends and head down new directions. But I'm going to call it a day. If you guys are all good. If you want to any lastminute things to say before we hit the end on the recording, I'm getting dead silence from these guys, so we're going to call it done. We're going to think about a name and yeah, good to see you and thanks all three of you for joining me. Well, thank you, dad here. So there you have it. Our first ever group podcast without a name, as yet. So if you do have any ideas for a name for our show, if you have any feedback or if you'd like to send this a question, all you have to do is send me an email yarrow at yarrow doll blog, or just leave it as a question or a comment in reply to any of the places I post this podcast to, all my social media, Youtube, my blog, and I'd up to hear from you. We're not sure whether we want to keep doing the show or not. We're going to very much base it on whether we're enjoying it and whether you are responding to it as an audience, and hopefully we'll stick to it on some kind of regular schedule and ideally we can answer some of the questions and cover some of the topics you would like us to cover if you just give us that feedback and, if you really brave, sent through an audio file with your question and your comment and I'll play it on the episode for myself and the guys to reply to. Also, if you haven't yet done so, subscribe to the best a capital podcast is, open up whatever APP you currently use to listen to podcast, whether it's on your phone or your computer, and hit that subscribe button so you get all my interviews that I release, and I'm doing quite a few now. I've got lots cued up for the future with some amazing people making money in places like real estate, with poker, with cannabis. So many great stories, even if you billionaire, stories...

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